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@@ -40,6 +40,6 @@ n. Help [reviewing patches](PatchReviewProcess). It is a good way to familiarize
 
 o. Learn [how to submit patches](Patches)
 
-p. Dive into the code! See some [/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2012-May/007337.html tips for diving into Tahoe's source code] and follow the [coding standards](CodingStandards) when you're ready to code.
+p. Dive into the code! See some [tips for diving into Tahoe's source code](https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2012-May/007337.html) and follow the [coding standards](CodingStandards) when you're ready to code.
 
-q. Learn [how to write tests](HowToWriteTests). Patches and new code should pass the automated testing before being eligible to be merged (see [this comment](/tahoe-lafs/trac-2024-07-25/issues/7573)#comment:88). There is a [list of patches needing tests]query:status=!closed&keywords=~test-needed if you want to get your feet wet.
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+q. Learn [how to write tests](HowToWriteTests). Patches and new code should pass the automated testing before being eligible to be merged (see [this comment](/tahoe-lafs/trac-2024-07-25/issues/7573)#comment:88). Even [packaging has tests](https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2014-November/009268.html). There is a [list of patches needing tests]query:status=!closed&keywords=~test-needed if you want to get your feet wet.
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